This is my response to a long thread over on Eric Peterson’s blog on Europe and the WAA.
Hey Eric –
Thanks for highlighting on your blog an important issue that the WAA Board has been chewing on for quite some time.
The reason that ** nobody ** from the Board has responded is because the WAA is an organization. We represent others and need to evaluate how they feel. We must speak for many and that takes time.
Thanks also for giving me a clear understanding of how corporate-speak is born.
You all know corporate-speak when you see it. Platitudes and fuzzy mumblings full of mild statements and moderate views that does its best to offend no one. I tried to write this on the plane last night and deleted three versions that were just awful.
So I am go on record here as Jim Sterne and NOT as the Chairman of the WAA. The Chairman speaks for the organization and I do not know what the organization is thinking yet – I’ll have to get back to you on that. So this is just me – on my blog instead of on the WAA blog.
This issue was brought into high relief recently at a very enjoyable evening with Wandering David Rhee and René Dechamps Otamendi at the eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit in Munich and I told them most of this ( although I had to take off my WAA lapel pin before saying this stuff!).
First and foremost – YES – the WAA needs to be more valuable to ALL of members and that means localization. Local events, translated content on the website, addressing local issues – all of that is critical.
What’s personally frustrating is that people love to complain to me that the WAA Board has some sort of cabalistic control over the world and is deciding this and not doing that and that the WAA is this and isn’t that – but without the recognition that the WAA is a member-driven organization (thank you Stephane). Do WE want pages in German and Spanish? Great! Start writing! Do WE want an EU-focused research study on privacy and advocacy? Great! Join those committees and volunteer to get it organized!
But when WE want something to happen, understand that the Board is made up of volunteers who are all highly engaged in their own businesses and are not full time employees. This stuff takes time.
Here’s the main disconnect between the WAA and the community of its members – the most vocal people are entrepreneurs. They are passionate. They are agile. They are used to simply making things happen in this Web 2.0 world. The WAA as an organization is an organization. It sucks that I can’t just bend everybody to my will. It sucks that I can’t be Jean-Luc Picard say “Make it so!” and “Engage!” Instead, we are an collection of volunteers who must work on a basis of consensus. The Board is financially and legal responsible for not screwing up. So we have to move slowly and carefully. Arrrrgh!
So YES – the WAA needs to be more valuable to ALL of members and that means localization. YES, events, marketing, and web content translation and more should all be local and standards and education might be more global. But how?
Europe is very different from North America. Germany is very different from France and Italy and Belgium and Switzerland. Localization is critical. But how?
Separate but equal?
Chapters?
Sister Organizations?
Simply expand the organization we currently have in place?
And who decides how much to charge Indian members and how do you determine if they really are from India?
I want the Board to take the time to do some research on how others have solved this problem so they (WE!) don’t screw it up.
It’ll take time.
That sucks.
That’s life.
Tags: eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit, Erci Peterson, René Dechamps Otamendi, Stephane Hamel, WAA, Wandering Dave Rhee, Web Analytics Assocation
May 2, 2008 at 9:53 am |
WAA Board Member (responsible for the International Committee) Neil Mason, provides some insight into the progress the WAA has – and has not – made in the past year and a cogent look at how the WAA intends to address this issue in his blog post called Does Europe need its own Web Analytics Association?.
May 1, 2008 at 2:35 pm |
Hi Jim,
100% agree with you, associations success depend on the job and implication of them members.
I have been in the board of the Spanish Marketing Association during 8 years, which I have recently abandoned to become the WAA Country Manager in Spain.
In my opinion, we have Global market interests and local particular characters and interests too.
I would like to refer to the American Marketing Association (AMA) http://www.marketingpower.com, or the IAB, both organizations are leading global market interests like standards definitions, statement of ethics or market definitions.
AMA Mision: The American Marketing Association is a professional association for individuals and organizations involved in the practice, teaching and study of marketing worldwide. Our principal roles are:
• Improving – Advancing marketing competencies, practice and thought leadership.
• Promoting – Being an advocate for marketing and promoting its importance, efficacy and ethics.
• Supporting – Being an essential resource for marketing information, education/training and relationships.
Then, we have the European Marketing Confederation (EMC) http://www.emc.be/
The European Marketing Confederation (EMC) is the umbrella organisation for marketing, sales and communication associations in Europe. Mision: The promotion and the development of marketing as the fundamental business process leading to economic growth and prosperity and the improvement of the competitive position of Europe’s trade, industry and commerce.
As you can see the Mision of AMA and EMC are different. The first, has a Global market sense, the second has a local (EU) sense, and both coexist with succes.
Other hand, every country should have their own local associations with different character, why not? Here in Spain we have a few marketing associations in different cities (some of them since 1959). All this local associations operate in a local basis, with very local events and local networking. But, all them always looking to the AMA as a source of innovation, trends and global marketing issues.
Here in Spain we have already a Spanish Web Analytics Association, the AEAW, which is making a good job in the Spanish market evangelizing web analytics.
As you mentioned, the future of the associations is in the hands of volunteers, if they want to open new chapters of the WAA or they prefer to do it separately. But, in my opinion, a global, recognized and strong organization is needed for some global market interests.
Hope my thoughts help in this issue
Jaume
April 30, 2008 at 1:47 am |
[...] And yes, why not reach out for some professional association management consulting, as Jim Sterne suggests! (By the way, also read Jim Sterne’s comment on his blog) [...]
April 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm |
Yes Anil – You’re right that this is not just a European issue. The bigger question is definitely: How should we be structured to provide the most value locally as well as globally?
April 26, 2008 at 12:56 pm |
Maybe we could post this question on WAA Social and link to it from a newsletter?
April 26, 2008 at 12:46 pm |
[...] Sterne! also wrote about this and has some intresting views, there’s no doubt WAA board has been doing a excellent job and [...]
April 26, 2008 at 11:36 am |
Hey jim!
iam writing my thoughts! although iam not a WAA member! i hope that’s ok
Iam from india! and web analytics is new in india! and no matter if WAA exists as a single entity or Europe forms a separte one! I guess it’s important that countries “developing” in Web Analytics should have a single access to these associations.. coz country like india look to learn (best practices and future trends) from US and European counterparts!
I want to emphasize that “money” does not matter when there’s lot of value and learning involved.
Regards
Anil
April 26, 2008 at 8:19 am |
Jacques –
Thank you for your compliments and confidence.
These are exactly the questions that require our exploration, consultation and consideration. Is it time to have more local/national/regional focus? Yes! But how? I don’t know yet. And it will be after next week’s eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit before I can reboot and free up enough RAM to give it the attention it deserves.
April 25, 2008 at 2:52 pm |
Hi Jim,
The dedication of the Founders, and any one who has volunteered so far in the WAA, is plain admirable. I myself wish I could have put more time when I was involved. And as any other organisation where everybody volunteers, some do it more passionately than others (cf. yourself, Jim Novo, and others), and thanks to them, the WAA is now where it is.
I think the current movement is a sign that we have reached a stage in our evolution as an association. Is it time to have formal local/national/regional chapters? Maybe, but I am a strong believer that it should still be under the existing entity.
As member #9, I think I am also expressing other members’s voice when I ask you your guidance and leadership as our Chairman. How can the WAA grow as a truly international organization, with its various chapters, if that is the right direction? Can a volunteer organization build and manage all that? Are we now mature enough to have full-time staff?
Or is it just plain too soon to have all those discussions, when we pay so little money for membership compared to other professional associations?
April 24, 2008 at 1:26 pm |
Hey Eric –
Let me repeat one important fact – we are member driven. The blogosphere community is crucial to the WAA’s success and terrific for prodding it – and thanks! But we must put the question to our members. And first, we have to have a cogent question to ask.
Steve Jackson asks:
Would you be in favor of an independently run European branch
of the WAA run by a European board of directors working toward
upholding global standards whilst catering for the specific needs of
its european membership?
Compared to what? What are the options? What are the implications?
I don’t think *any*body is saying this is a bad idea. But what’s the best way forward?
Are we – as web analysts – the people with the best experience in this area or should we reach out for some professional association management consulting? Many MANY more questions than answers today.
Cross posted to Eric Peterson
April 24, 2008 at 1:09 pm |
Jim,
Great post. I don’t think anyone is expecting any changes to take place quickly. The points you raise are all very valid and I don’t want to interrupt the current situation which is progressing well until everything has been addressed, discussed and the best way forward decided. I think Rene mentioned a year before this might be a realistic proposition and I don’t disagree with him.
It’s one of the initial reasons I called for a vote on this from European members. They after all would be the first people effected. If anything comes from the board meeting might I suggest the first thing be to debate a poll?
If a vote was posed along the lines of:
Would you be in favor of an independently run European branch of the WAA run by a European board of directors working toward upholding global standards whilst catering for the specific needs of its european membership?
I was impressed by the boards speed in moving on this already, but all the questions raised in the emails I’ve seen so far (like how it would be funded) are perhaps premature until we have more than simply the blog posts and emails as a gauge of European opinion.
I’ve already gone on record saying I’m for a EUWAA but I am merely one person in a membership which numbers in the hundreds in Europe.
Best regards
Steve
April 24, 2008 at 9:06 am |
I don’t think the board asks members before making ALL decisions. In fact, I know that. I also think it would be very difficult.
Once the new board has been elected it’d be interesting to hear what each board member thinks about the EUWAA idea.
I personally do not really know. At times it has seemed like a good idea, and at times not.
April 24, 2008 at 8:58 am |
I just want to add that Social Media committee of the WAA has brought this matter up while at an impromtu lunch meeting yesterday and you can get an idea of our thinking by watching our two videos from the event
http://tinyurl.com/64oyb2 Part 1
http://tinyurl.com/6kb75v Part 2
Feel free to take a look, comment and even Join waasocial.webanalyticsassociation.org
April 24, 2008 at 8:34 am |
See my response here: http://blog.webanalyticsdemystified.com/weblog/2008/04/europe-and-the-web-analytics-association.html#comment-129195
Thanks for your comment, Jim!